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Creating Livable Alternatives to Wage Slavery
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yougetajob
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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Daniel Suelo's blog |
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Daniel Shellabarger's (aka - Suelo) is a guy who has lived without money for 5 years. I find his site
very interesting and perhaps some of you do too as Irv Thomas has spoke about him in the past.
http://zerocurrency.blogspot.com
Anyway, in his latest post he has posted a link that goes to a short introduction to a film that has been made about his life. It looks pretty cool, check it out. |
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Broken Spirit
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks yougetajob.
The control money (and lack of) has over me/us has been heavy on my mind lately. In fact, I have institutions dictating to me how to go about living my life simply because I utilize the entitlements system.
I want an escape route that doesn't involve suicide. I'm going to check out the film. I've been contemplating getting a job, but then I imagine reporting to a "boss" - and I just shudder. To pay bills or not to pay bills? To pay taxes or not to pay taxes? To buy product or not to buy product? To be or not to be?
Maybe I'm too stubborn ... like an Indian who wouldn't assimilate or be colonized, like a rebel slave who jumps off the cliff to be free ... I don't know. I doubt those in my community understand how violently I resent servitude. I want to be a free-spirit.
NON SERVIUM!
| Mario Heilmann of UCLA wrote: | People tend to influence others for selfish reasons. They tend to hide this fact from others and even from themselves. Targets of influencing attempts act as if they knew the influencing agent cannot be trusted. An extraordinary amount of effort is devoted to impression management, the effort to establish credibility.
Impression management is a full time job, and the other full time job in life serves to acquire the finances needed to buy the paraphernalia (like designer clothes, car, condo and prestigious schools) to impress with. The very fact that these items are expensive and difficult makes them hard to fake and therefore more credible.
"Imagine all the people live in love and peace" (John Lennon, approx. 1968). Nothing to live or die for, no hunger, no heaven and no religion. I would add more points. Imagine we could use our cars and clothes until they wear out. And need not pay for the prestigious brands in the first place. And they were made for maximum usefulness, not for flashiness and planned obsolescence. Imagine we used cars only when absolutely necessary, because we unselfishly concluded that bicycles are better for the air we all breathe and for our natural environment. Imagine we would enjoy the benefit of healthy exercise by walking and bicycling instead of succumbing to our preprogrammed tendency to evade avoidable physical effort, and hence we were not wrought with the health damage coming with our sedentary life styles.
Imagine what would happen if we renounced social influence through violence (war and crime) and through deception (marital infidelity, tax fraud). 95% of all topics for novels and movies would disappear! Imagine we could find sexual partners without lies and manipulations, without having to spend decades acquiring useless status and beauty. And imagine humanity would, for the good of our and other species, voluntarily cease selfish behavior and even stop the population explosion. I estimate that over 90 percent of our working time and financial expenses would immediately be freed. |
PEACE! |
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yougetajob
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Hey man. I know what you mean. My current sitch is wearing thin and I have to make some changes too. Money is a motherfucker, that's about all I know.
Sometimes I envy those who seem to be getting on so well. People who seem happy with their jobs - happy spending huge amounts of time doing things that serve no real purpose and may even cause harm. Then I think no, I'm better off than they are, I'm closer to the truth than they are, I've got a better handle on what's really going on than they do. I am seeing what they are not. But what good does this do me? None. Not unless I can figure things out before I die. If I don't, then it will all be for not. Just look at all the miserable depressed philosophers who have come and gone and solved nothing. I'm talking about more than money here, I'm talking about life and how it should be lived and how money is supposed to fit in.
For those of us who believe in God - is he any help? I've asked him, he doesn't say anything. Fuck him.
| Chris Cornell of Audioslave wrote: | | You gave me life...Now show me how to live. |
A pretty reasonable request if you ask me. Money is the reason 90% of us wake up and go to bed when we do, it's a HUGE part of life.
Money:
-Is it good?
-Is it bad?
-Should I strive for as much as I can and do genuine good with it like feed people?
-When conducting a business transaction would screwing someone over so I could give more money to starving people in Africa be better than doing a "fair" transaction and keeping the profits for myself?
-Can we "manifest" money through the "law of attraction" like many new age people think?
-If we sit back and do nothing will the Universe or God or whatever you want to call it take care of our basic needs?
-Does it grow on trees? 
I dunno.
| Quote: | | And imagine humanity would, for the good of our and other species, voluntarily cease selfish behavior and even stop the population explosion. I estimate that over 90 percent of our working time and financial expenses would immediately be freed. |
Ya that sounds about right |
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whyjob
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I've been contemplating getting a job, but then I imagine reporting to a "boss" - and I just shudder |
I was looking at jobs available in the classifieds and was thinking, 'maybe I need a job'. But once I saw the words 'vacation time', I backed off and have since gone outside to enjoy the wilderness. I earn enough money to eat and for shelter. That's good enough, but on the other hand, I have been programmed for years to want more. 
| Quote: | | For those of us who believe in God - is he any help? I've asked him, he doesn't say anything. Fuck him |
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Because your view of God was shaped by the institutions and people around you, You assume God suppose to talk to you as if he is a neighbor shooting the breeze. Walk into a natural area. Look at the birds playing in the trees, the ducks playing in the water. God has already answered, you haven't listened.
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yougetajob
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| whyjob wrote: | | Because your view of God was shaped by the institutions and people around you, You assume God suppose to talk to you as if he is a neighbor shooting the breeze. Walk into a natural area. Look at the birds playing in the trees, the ducks playing in the water. God has already answered, you haven't listened. |
I really don't see the problem with expecting this kind of communication with God. Is it not how Job communicated with God? What about Moses, what about Abraham? Maybe this wasn't the norm for them, but if we can believe the narratives in the Bible then it at least happened on a few occasions. I just don't see the problem in wanting and expecting this kind of open communication.
Anyway, I've taken another topic into the ditch, let me see if I can get it back on the road.
Whyjob: You said that you have enough money to pay for your food and shelter yet you sometimes consider getting a job. Why? Unless there is something I am missing you've got it made! Whats the problem? |
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whyjob
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Is it not how Job communicated with God? What about Moses, what about Abraham? Maybe this wasn't the norm for them, but if we can believe the narratives in the Bible then it at least happened on a few occasions. I |
Jesus talked to people face to face. But he was a Godman. But how did God talk to people? God is not human. So we have to take that into account.
But I have thought that before. 'God, talk to me.' But once I say that, I have already downsized God to a sinful human. God speaks in a different language. Listen and you will hear, just as the men you mentioned heard.
And regarding a job. I have a part-time work that is enough to get by. But I was raised in the school system, so my mentality is to work as hard as possible. Accumulate as much money as possible. Its hard to let go of things that were wired into my brain.
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yougetajob
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Ok enough of that.
I was in contact with the guy who shot the film and he said he would send me a copy for free, but I think I offended him when I kept offering to pay for it! Kind of ironic considering the subject matter of the movie isn't it! Maybe he'll put it on youtube or something.
Has anyone else read Suelo's blog? Any comments? |
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